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Mule's picture

I've got a couple things I wanted to tell you guys about, so I'll do it here and save myself the time of telling you individually.

First, I spent a couple minutes over the weekend making this spray, and I wanted to know what you guys thought of it. http://byastudios.com/drupal/node/379
I used one of the pictures Rooster posted, resized it and added "BYA." At full size the "BYA" looked bevelled, but now it just looks kinda fuzzy I think. It only took a few minutes, so I wouldn't have a problem with starting all over again. (Took me a lot longer to get GIMP working than to actually edit the pic!)

Second, I've gotten the same job I had last Summer! There are a couple likely differences though. I probably won't be doing any work at Berkeley, which is where I was for most of last Summer. That means I'll actually be working for the whole day, instead of taking off early and smoking with you guys in the afternoons. Also, my boss wants me to do more field work than I did last Summer. That means I'll probably be in Hawaii for a month. I'm kind of worried that if I spend that much time in Hawaii I'll end up not getting as much actual vacation as I want. Yes, I see the irony of wanting to spend less time in a tropical paradise.

I dunno. Let me know what you guys think, especially about the spray.

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Mule's picture

Donezo!

Alright! I'm finally done with my study, and I wrote up the paper and turned it in today. Would you be interested in me uploading it to the website? How would I do that?

Lamb's picture

hamburger helper.

copy and paste.

Mule's picture

hahahahaha. i has graphs.

hahahahaha. i has graphs. lots of 'em.

Lamb's picture

halp

perhaps convert the graphs into a compatible photo format that the site allows. then host/embed them along with the text... i feel like there is an easier way to do this though...

Mule's picture

Mallard?!

Isn't there some way to imbed a PDF? That would be so much easier. I have 9 graphs I think, so I don't think it would be worth the time to convert all of them to imbed and then go through the trouble to imbedding them at the proper places.

Mallard's picture

holyshit

My reaction to the news about your work:
:O
:D

That's fucking awesome! Dude your work will be sending you to Hawaii! Nevermind the fact that it's Hawaii, THEY ARE PAYING TO SEND YOU SOMEWHERE! You sir, have an actual fucking job. Like a career job. Kudos of the highest regard sir. What kind of field work are you gonna be doing? What the fuck are you working on? Are there grants involved?

Tell us more!

Mule's picture

Yeah!

I know, dude! They'll pay for my flight, and pay me for my work there.
There are grants involved, I don't have to write them, but the money they pay me and the money that pays for the flight is all from NSF grants (I believe they're all NSF).
There are actually a lot of different things I could potentially be doing, but most all of them involve hiking up the side of a mountain/volcano at least once a day:

  • I could be fertilizing plants on a scientific plantation.
  • I could be collecting samples of leaves (with a slingshot or even a shotgun), of soil (probably just with a shovel).
  • I don't even know what else, but I'm sure there's lot of other shit!

And yes, this kind of shit is basically my dream job. I don't know if I told you this over the summer, but my life dream is to have a science job that pays me to travel to exotic locations and do shit. I'm absolutely dead serious.

Also, unrelated, would any of you guys be interested in hearing anything about my independent research project that I'm working on here? It's about soil microbes, so I'd understand if none of you gave a shit.

Mallard's picture

goddamn

You lucky son of a bitch! You best get to telling us about these microbes! I am far more than interested.

Mule's picture

Okay, briefly

Alright, I don't have a lot of time to explain right now, but I'll give a brief summary.
There are bacteria everywhere. Absolutely everywhere. The bacteria that live in you can mostly only live and reproduce activcely at 20-37°C, and are called mesophiles (meso as in middle and philic as in liking). Bacteria that are active at lower temperatures are called psycrophiles. Bacteria that are active at higher temperatures are called thermophiles. There's been a lot research in recent years into thermophilic microbes that live in hot springs and deep-sea thermal vents. There's also been a lot of research into psycrophiles that live in Antarctica and the Arctic Circle.
I was curious about the levels of psycrophiles and thermophiles that are present under normal conditions, in normal soil. In my background research I found a study in Scotland that found lots of thermophiles in the soil. Most of them were very good at decomposing hydrocarbons such as components gasoline. That's a significant finding, since Scotland doesn't have any geological features like hotsprings. These bacteria could be very useful in bioremediation, where you use microbes to clean up chemicals in soil, which are usually hydrocarbons. Most bacteria can't decompose hydrocarbons, and many of them are actually killed by hydrocarbons.

The big question from this is where these thermophilic bacteria come from, and what they're doing. The bacteria in the study I mentioned couldn't even grow below 60°C. The temperature in Scotland never gets above 40°C (human body temperature is 37°C, so 40°C is above 100°F). If they can't reproduce at the temperatures that they're living in, what are they doing?

I haven't found anything quite that cool in my research, since I'm only doing a really basic study to get relative population numbers. I did find a lot of this bacteria called Bacillus mycoides. It's a fairly uninteresting rod-shaped bacterium that's rather common in soils and grows best at the temperatures you see in regular soil. The cool thing is that the colony grown in a spiral shape that always spirals in the same direction.

Well that's about all I have time for now. I'll keep you posted as I continue analyzing my data.

Mallard's picture

:D

A few questions.

1) Are thermophiles kind of like extremeophiles (lol not an actual science word)?

2) Are you looking for any specific type of thermophile?

3) What kind of soil have you used to collect data?

4) Have you seen any cool shit other than bacteria?

5) How small are the thermophiles you are looking for? Bacteria are small as fuck so you must be using a big ass magnification.

6) Why are they sending you to Hawaii looking for thermophiles if the report you read was based out of Scotland? Is it because of the volcanic activity and its effect on the soil?

7)What creates these hydrocarbons? Industry?

8) Do you have any data sheets or whatnot? I am so down for reading this/putting it up on the site.

I am so crazy interested. I hope you know this means that I'm going to send you hella shit on anything that even vaguely sounds related to your research.

Mule's picture

A few answers

  1. Thermophiles are type of extremophile. Extremophile is absolutely an actual science word, it's just not very specific. It includes thermophiles, psychrophiles, acidophiles, alkalinophiles, chemophiles, and lots of other -philes.
  2. I'm not looking for any type of thermophile at all. Right now at least, I'm just trying to estimate the number of thermophilic cells present in different soils.
  3. There were some issues with funding and scheduling, so my only hot-springs soil has been refrigerated since 1988. I have soil from a couple of local parks, and soil from two compost heaps -- both of which were cold at the time of sampling, and were therefore inactive.
  4. I haven't looked very closely at any of the organisms that grew. I grew a couple of fungi that I didn't bother to identify. There are these funky soil bacteria called actinomycetes that look a lot like fungal hyphae, and they were originally classified as fungi. There were a bunch of colonies that grew on the surface of my plates that formed (or collected, I can't say for sure) a fairly large volume of sticky fluid. Don't know what's in the fluid, but it could be something pretty cool, possibly antibiotics. There were a lot of colonies with pigmentation, mostly orange-reddish.
  5. I never observed the microbes under high enough magnification to see the individual cells (which would have been 1000x, which is the oil immersion lens). I used a technique called dilution plating to get an estimate of the number of cells present in an amount of soil. You take 10g soil and shake it for 20 minutes in 90ml dH2O. That gives you a dilution of 10:1. You pour molten agar onto a plate with 1ml of diluted sample, mix it gently but thoroughly, let it solidify, then incubate it. You'll get a lot of colonies from that if your soil is any good, so you also perform a dilution series in which you plate multiple dilutions of your original sample (10:1, 100:1, 1000:1, 10000:1, 100000:1) and hope that that gives you a dilute enough sample that you don't overgrow your plates. Then you count the number of colonies formed after incubation, and assume that each colony was formed by a single original bacterial cell. Then you do a bit of math and end up with the number of cells in a gram of soil. It's not a terribly exciting method, but it gives good results that are easy to interpret and fairly accurate. The biggest problem is that if you do it properly, with a few duplicates at each dilution, you end up having to make a shitload of plates. Since I'm also doing 3 different temperatures, I ended up having to make 48 plates for each sample. The first time I did it it took me almost 5 hours. I subsequently figured out a few shortcuts and the rest of the samples only took ~2 hours to plate.
  6. The work in Hawaii is completely unrelated to this. In Hawaii I'll be collecting samples for somebody else's project at Stanford. It would be very interesting though to test Hawaiian soil.
  7. Yes, mostly industry. Some of the hydrocarbons are just straight out of crude oil, some are from processed gasoline, some are organic solvents used in chemical reactions. Most of them are carcinogenic to humans (or at least they are in California!). If you were to use these bacteria to clean up an oil spill or something, you would call it bioremediation. There's a lot of money being spent on this kind of research right now, because it's extraordinarily expensive and ineffective to clean up these kinds of chemicals with the current methods, which are mostly detergents.
  8. I do have some data, but I'm not done processing it just yet. I think I'll wait until I'm completely done with the project, and just send you my entire paper. That would make a lot more sense than just raw data.

Keep the questions coming! Don't be afraid to ask me things that you think are obvious either.

Mallard's picture

A Few MORE Questions

and some comments...

1) lol I just go the whole THERMOphiles thing. Hurr durr. Smooth move Sam.

3) Why are you only working on soil form 1988? What hot spring is it from? Could there have been any changes in the original environment in the past 20 years that could invalidate your findings?

4) Sweet! How are you keying out the various things you find? Is there a particular key you are using or is identification done more by more experienced peers?

5) How many plates have you gone through? After setting them all up is the incubation period long?

6) What are you gonna be helping with in Hawaii? If I were you I would take the chance to get some soil samples from there. Granted I don't know the process behind doing that (legal issues) but that would add some sick data to your research. I would imagine that the volcanic nature of the islands would make for a unique environment for microbes. Speaking of which, could the thermophiles in Scotland be endemic? Can microbes like that (found in soil) even really be endemic given the amount of travel/shipping going on nowadays?

7) Awesome! So in theory your findings could go a long way in helping people cultivate these guys right? Also, what kind of waste do they give off? If they break down hydrocarbons I would think there would be stuff left over.

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more answers

3) The original idea of my study was to compare the numbers of thermophilic cells in normal soil to those in hotsprings soil. I don't have a car here, so I was counting on my roommate to drive me to a hotsprings, but he ended up having to go out of town over both of the two weekends since spring break, so he was unavailable. And then my professor denied my funding request so I couldn't pay anyone back for the gas to drive an hour and a half away to the nearest spring. It was just a coincidence that my professor had this Yellowstone soil that she had collected for an experiment 20 years ago. Yes, there absolutely could be changes in the soil biology at Yellowstone in the last 20 years. Hot springs change all the time, appear and disappear, and change their chemistry. The bigger problem though is that this soil has basically been incubated at 4°C (That's standard fridge temp) for 20 years. I did a preliminary test where I incubated some soil plates (using the same techniques as my regular experiment). It took about a week to grow visible colonies, as opposed to the 48 hours it takes at 15°C (It's generally accepted in chemistry that each 10°C raise in temperature doubles the rate of a chemical reaction, and this has a big effect on life).

4) I'm actually not doing much at all to identify things I find. I identified Bacillus mycoides because it has a very distinctive colony shape. The fungi I identified just by the presence of hyphae in the agar and visible fruiting bodies. My professor also suggested some possible genuses for a couple other colonies. My goal wasn't really to identify any of the microbes, just to count them.

5) I analyzed 5 samples with 48 plates each, and my preliminary study was one sample with about 60 plates. I can remember fucking up 4 plates also. That totals to 304 plates. Keep in mind that I also had to prepare all he agar for the plates. It takes fucking ages.
The 37° and 50° plates incubate for 24 hours, and the 15° plates incubate for 48 hours.

6) My boss hasn't told me any specifics for what I'll do in Hawaii, or at Stanford for that matter. Hawaii has very tight restrictions about exporting soil. You need special permits. Not only should it be interesting because it's volcanic, but also the soil chemistry is unique, and it extremely geographically isolated, so you would expect to see some unique species.

Yes, the thermophiles in Scotland could certainly be endemic. The researchers tried to control for exotic species by sampling areas out in the boonies. Of course that still doesn't really rule out exotic species, since they probably spread through the soil fairly rapidly through groundwater. They used fairly simple techniques to isolate their bacteria, so I could potentially look for them here and compare their DNA on a computer (I don't know how specifically, but I know it's not unusual, so it shouldn't be too hard).

7) My study was fairly superficial, but potentially my project next year could help with bioremediation. I didn't test any of my bacteria for hydrocarbon metabolism, but I could easily do that next year if I find something interesting.

Metabolic waste is a good question. All these bacteria are aerobic, so you wouldn't expect fermentation to acids or alcohols. Some of them may only shorten hydrocarbon chains to simpler hydrocarbons, but it's likely that many of them will just produce CO2. I'm not positive though, I haven't done much research into what remains after bioremediation.