Van living and the open road

Skunk's picture

http://cheaprvliving.com/howtoconvertavan.html

I'm really considering holding off on buying a car, and saving up to buy and retrofit a van for living/traveling purposes.

Wouldn't it be cool to travel around with a couple grand in a savings account and have practically nothing to worry about except for your day to day living? Forget about rent, utilities, all that.

Think totally living off the grid, not having to pay taxes or be chained down by anything other than your yearly insurance cost, which would be like your rent.

Maybe if others saw this as something they would undertake, we could travel as a pack, with multiple vehicles. Kind of like sailing together, but much more feasible, and less risky.

Consider traveling around the US, or South America?

It would only really take a year at most out of your lives. And there are ways to live in a van full time and have money to live.

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Llama's picture

hmmmz

me is wonderin if you could get satellite internets or something. plus fuck the east side man. theres plenty to do/ see in the west side of america. as far as colorado i think is great. some great places all near there. iono .....poop

Mule's picture

Yeah...

I don't know if I would really say there's nothing worth seeing East of the Rockies. It's like a totally different world over there. I'm not one for history, but there's something to be said for the oldest parts of this country. A lot of people say New Orleans is like the San Francisco of the South. Of course there are a lot of places we wouldn't really want to go, like deep into the mountains where people get butt-raped (anyone seen Deliverance?).

Lamb's picture

teh appalachian mountains are beautiful.

Mallard's picture

Indy no!

Mallard's picture

Fuck New Orleans

Austin is the San Francisco of the South. New Orleans is the Santa Barbra of the South.

Mule's picture

Hahaha! Santa Barbara! What a

Hahaha! Santa Barbara! What a pit...

Billy Goat's picture

Chris McCandless?

Uh, no. That guy was a moron and had no idea what he was doing. Thats why he died a few miles from an aid station.

We'd plan ahead and know what we're getting into.

Jumping into a busted ass van with a couple sleeping bags, power bars and a gallon of water is a quick path to pain. Thats not gonna happen. Not if I'm around anyway.

Mallard's picture

Woa, woa, woa...

He was a prick, don't get me wrong. I think the guy was a royal douche and got everything he deserved for just bouncing on all the people that cared about him. I was referring to the act itself. The idea of living a life on the road, free of the responsibilities of an adult life.

Mule's picture

You tell 'em!

You tell 'em!

Skunk's picture

Alright I tossed some numbers

Alright I tossed some numbers in my head, this is what came out. I'm going by the highest estimate, and this is for one person btw:

Retrofitted van: $7,000 (Fixing the interior, spending money to make sure it is 99.9% mechanically reliable)

Insurance per vehicle: $1,500

Gas per month: 28gal x $2.50 = $70 (Range: 30gal tank x 13mpg = 390mi.)
So for $70 you could go roughly 350 miles. The distance from San Francisco to Las Vegas is ~600 miles. The width of the US is roughly 3,000 miles depending on where you measure, but lets keep it easy. For $140 you can travel 1/7 across America.

To be safe let's just say you're spending $150 a month on gas.

Food: $200 a month ($6 a day, but if you buy a loaf of bread and some lunch meats, cans of food, etc. this won't be so bad.)

That leaves you with $150 for extraneous crap like.... I don't fucking know, souvenirs? Bridge toll? Hookers?

Skunk's picture

I got promoted to inside

I got promoted to inside sales at my job... I'm not liking it and I might actually quit if I can't convince my boss to reassign my duties.

I'm seriously considering this vagabond idea. I don't need much to survive. Pretty much give me a computer and internet and I'm set.

Save $10,000 and you've got enough money to live for a year in a van. When its gone come back to the city, find a job, and repeat the cycle...

Skunk's picture

I like how people are

I like how people are responding no this...

For the van, there are a few options.

You could buy a 90's model GMC van that's already *almost* outfitted to do the vanliving, roadtrip thing. This van would be the G20. I'm sure you've seen it; it's fairly long, has the suicide doors as opposed to the sliding kind (suicide doors are preferable as you can store things such as shoes and such on them, whereas if it's sliding, then it must be clear for the door to slide open)

The other option is buying a large cargo van. I don't like this idea because of a few things: there are no windows in the back; you'd have to cut your own or at the very LEAST cut a hole in the roof and create a vent.

You guys should really just browse that site I posted; there are answers to all your questions. In any case, I'll go over the major things:

1. Insurance - This isn't very difficult; insurance costs about $1,000-$1,500 for our age. That's $100-$150 a month. Mule is right, Lamb shush. Insurance is a MUST. No question about it.

2. Cost of van - This varies greatly depending on how you would like to live... But without going into detail, this could range from $4,000 - $6,000.

3. Retrofitting a van - Seeing as practically none of you are handymen, your estimates for outfitting a van should be ignored. It wouldn't cost more than $2,000 MAX, and that's a very liberal estimate. Basically, what I would do is acquire a van such as the G20. I would strip the interior between the cockpit and the rear of the van. You take plywood and cut it to the size of the area of the interior. You screw that shit in. Now you've got a good wooden floor. You essentially do the same with the walls. Now you've got a wooden box. You get a 2 burner stove, a small 800w microwave, and a cooler. You could also run a refrigerator, but keep in mind that it would be running 24/7.

For power, you buy 2 or 3 deep cycle, gel cell batteries. These are the most costly items at about $100-$150 each, but it would give you about 3-4 days worth of electricity to run a computer, monitor/tv, interior lights, etc. Keep in mind you won't/can't be living like you are now, so sacrifices must be made. They make 100w Solar panels that you could mount on the roof and this energy would be enough to recharge cellphones and small electronic devices, so that alone could be worth the investment. Having a battery bank is a MUST if you expect to run a computer that is powerful enough to watch videos, play games but it can't be a 700w power hog because that isn't necessary.

As for showering, you could always use a rag and soap. It's not a shower, and takes much longer, but it will keep you clean. You could also use local gyms, highway rest stops, RV camp sites (these facilities often include showers, laundromats, and power sources at the cost of about $20 a day).

As for pooping, a bucket with a toilet seat made specifically for it, with a thick plastic liner filled with kitty litter. Use it IF YOU ABSOLUTELY MUST. It's preferable to use gas stations and the like for this. The bio-diesel conversion is an attractive alternative, and I think most foreign countries use diesel so you'll probably want to research that.

I can fit 2 weeks worth of clothes in 1 duffle bag so storage is not a problem.

If you are frugal, you can expect to spend about $500 a month. Some people have more in their savings so if you don't want to sacrifice a few luxuries you can bump that up to $1,000 a month.

True freedom, no rent, no obligations, no bills, what else could you ask for?

Mallard's picture

Whoops!

I was signed in as the admin! Hurr durr Sam.

Anyway:

I like the idea of going all Chris McCandless and I endorse it fully. Its a great way to see the rest of the country and other parts of the world. There's so much out there it's crazy! Shit, the different parts of America alone can keep you busy for years! You might even find a place better than good ol' SF.

But keeping this in mind I think it might be a bit much to try and do the whole van thing. Vans may be cheap but tricking it out to make it "livable" can be a bit pricey. Monetarily it would probably be a better idea to just toss a few sleeping bags in the back and call it a day. Not only would it be cheaper, but you would be able to enjoy trying to make it by on the bare necessities.

Otherwise just make sure you play it safe: keep some backup dollaz, don't fuck with rednecks, make sure you keep in contact, etc.

EDIT: Basically just don't go all Tanner on the van idea. No offense to Tanner, but it occurred to me that was the clearest way to say it.

Mule's picture

I has idea, but probably not good one

What if we modded vans to be electric? And put solar cells on the roof, one or two (could you even fit 2?) stationary bikes inside to recharge the batteries. That way you wouldn't have to pay for gas ever, and you could go anywhere with sunshine, and anywhere without sunshine if you petal. Probably not worth the large investment to make it electric, etc. as opposed to just paying for gas. Or, alternatively, what about biodiesel? Most of the time you only have to change the gas tank and some hoses. Making biodiesel from used oil is pretty simple too, as far as I know. I've read that all you really have to do is filter it and then you can pour it right into the car.

I know the idea wasn't to be environmentally friendly at all, but I think if we went on a long enough trip, it would end up saving money (especially the biodiesel, if we could find places to give us oil for free or cheep).

Also, I feel I should clarify my previous statement a little bit. I wasn't saying I was against this at all. It sounds like a great idea to me actually. My point was that you need to be properly insured, and you need a permanent address for that. I don't mean just for if we crash or shit. I mean if we get pulled over, we don't want to get sent to jail just because we don't have proper insurance. By that I'm not implying that we would do anything illegal, but I think we could all imagine that if we travel for long enough, we're bound to get hassled by cops at some point -- probably even more than once.

Mallard's picture

Alternative Energy, oh my!

Not to be a Debbie Downer, but using solar cells or biodiesel wouldn't really work.

Solar Cells: While you could defiantly fit 2 or more solar panels on the roof of a van they wouldn't provide anything even close to enough energy. Most of the time solar cars they are made of the lightest materials, fit one person, and are far wider than a normal car. To get a full sized van with one or more people (plus their stuff) inside moving you would need some crazy efficient solar panels, and those would probably cost more than the van itself.

Biodiesel: The only problem is see with this is the infrastructure. Sure you could stop at any fast food place and get fuel, but there are far less fast food places than there are gas stations. And not every gas station has the oil you need (I'm assuming you can't use car oil). Also the fuel burns off faster. This means that when you are crossing a long stretch of desert road you are going to have to bring your own backup supply with you in the car. This adds weight, which makes the fuel burn even faster, and increases your chances of running out.

I'm all for going green where you can, but doing it with a non-city car isn't really a good move now. Most people forget that gas is still the best (read: most efficient) fuel out there right now.

Mule's picture

indeed

Solar cells: You're absolutely right, they wouldn't provide enough power to run a van (or even a motorcycle) on their own. What I meant was that the van would have batteries, and the solar cells would charge the batteries while you're driving. My idea was that the cells would extend your range, so that you wouldn't have to stop and charge up as often. I know it's probably not feasible at all, but I think it would be cool to charge an electric van with stationary bikes. I was thinking that you might be able to squeeze a bike into the back of the van and ride it while someone else is steering, so that it would also charge the batts and extend your range.

Biodiesel: You don't just have to go to fast food places. Greasy spoon restaurants have shitloads of grease! And those are pretty frequent (think truck stops). I'm fairly certain you can still use regular diesel after you've modded for biodiesel. You might need to drain out the veggie oil before you can fill up with regular diesel. Of course, if you're doing that it wouldn't be very efficient or money saving at all. Especially since diesel costs more than gas these days. The point about carrying extra fuel is absolutely valid. However, that would probably be a good idea to do no matter what. I'm assuming we wouldn't just be driving around major metropolitan areas the entire time, so regular gas stations might be problematic for a lot of the time.

Also, total tangent: What about going on a bike backpacking trip? Bike for like 20-50 mi a day, then camp at night. Probably even less feasible than driving, but I think it would be fun too.

Llama's picture

....

what about showering....

Billy Goat's picture

Gonna get real wet up in dat Sand Haus.

There are actually quite a few options for showering, Tan. Solar bag, propane or piezo heated pump systems or campfire/stovetop systems. None of them are extremely expensive either.

Billy Goat's picture

Heh

I've always wanted to do something around those lines. I've talked to some of the guys about it ages ago but...

I generally receive a negative response from those I talk about it to. No one seems to wanna leave San Francisco.

Fuckin' pshh.

Ground Squirrel's picture

yeah...

im not gonna have a place to live after i graduate, so im more than down. there will be poopers, but sadly they will be left behind. if there is any doubt in ones mind, it is best not to tag along and bring the rest down. for me its a when not an if. it could be a solo thing, nothing says we gotta be a big gey family about it, but that would be cool too. i was think about just hitch hiking, but i like van bettar. don't let the poopers discurage you, there are plenty of US too.

Lamb's picture

skunk, any idea on how much

skunk, any idea on how much this expedition will cost per person? GL with the van mods.. i think hitch hiking is a more plausible means of seeing the country. more affordable/more dangerous, but prolly worth it.

Mule's picture

Minor detail

I think to get insurance you have to have an address.

Lamb's picture

cool idea, bro.

fuck insurance, we dont need that shit.

sounds like a fun idea. but i dont see in happening in the near future for most of us. i dont think anybody else has a license... and its a big chunk o' change for a vehicle to live out of. i think it'd be more than just a couple grand to sustain ourselves for a year on the road. i'd be down to go up to canada... id really like to see the northern lights, on drugs.

Mule's picture

I has license.

I has license.

Ground Squirrel's picture

yes

i like off the grid